The commenters here are speculating wildly about this particular picture. Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. Lisanne sets up a SOS with toilet paper and a mirror, hoping to get the attention of the helicopters. I dont understand the question. if both then was the other found in their room? Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. So I see men in the cave. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. Alex Humphrey disappeared . I think murder is quite likely. Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. That is the key. All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. Panama International Travel Information On the other hand, its more dangerous and risky. Your email address will not be published. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. Hi Chris, to me the place Kris is in looks really spooky, but I also think it looks like the entrance to a cave. She turned around and they snapped a photo. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. Cheers. Most gangs in Panama are not big gangs with hundreds of members, like you would find in Mexico and El Salvador. Rocko Akira Clapp. Or if someone deleted them? Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. I was surprised to learn that. Maybe one girl regained consciousness at night and took the pictures. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. There are . There is no database of how many people go missing in national parks every year but the National Parks Service has at least 29 cold cases of people who have gone missing and have yet to be found, with the oldest case dating back to 1958.. It also looks like that red item is around her neck as well. Were their phones not able to text? Someone mentioned a Jaguar? I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. Alex Humphrey: British tourist missing in Panama - The Guardian This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. Hi Chris, Very interested in your website! It holds a bad energy. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. Matts article about the daytime photos (link), https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg, https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html, https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CJKQMGxJ1Kc/XH7ld3XtSnI/AAAAAAAAjOg/kechIb5Cge8msf5kRVinBCrEjIiBCl7TwCLcBGAs/s1600/7reCdlm.jpg, https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner, https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html, Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide), New Case Data: Night Photo EXIF Temperatures, Video Footage: El Pianista Complete Trail Hike, Canadas Freedom Convoy Raises Millions On GiveSendGo, Panama Expedition 2021 Complete Overview, Disappearance Stories A Word Of Caution, Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon (Case Articles), 18 Critical Tips for Traveling Central America. Seems weird. Also, I do not know about the girls living situation and the relationship between the girls and the owner. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. I find it odd that the young American girl was murdered not long after this not far away as with the taxi driver who was found depended likely murdered. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. Chilling photos reveal final moments of missing hikers in Panama jungle Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. Where did he leave them? I wonder? Regarding accidents (My father a doctor always said accidents do not exist. He drowned a short time after. However, if Kremers and Froon had found manmade ramshackle structures during their hike, such as the possible items viewed in this photo, its possible they had unwanted company. The non-waterproof lycra backpack mysteriously shows up, with completely dry contents. I noticed this too. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. I would not pay much attention to what she has to say as it sounds like she wrote this book to try to justify/clear herself from all the criticism she garnered through this experience: Or is it all part of a cover-up? I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. thank you for sharing this. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. There is something white on the object, which looks like a white piece of cloth. How many tourists go to Australia? Haha, Im assuming this is a joke, right? The girls' camera showed evidence of what may have happened. Its perfectly normal and had they not tragically passed, its the type of photo theyd have been joking about later. To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. In Indian Country, a Crisis of Missing Women. And a New One When They In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. L&K photographed every part of the walk from the farm up to the summit; dog appears in none of their photos. They probably came off the summit the wrong way. Its incredibly sad. Yes, this was taken after their photos at the Mirador. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. For a time, manysuspected Froon and Kremers never got lost on the mountain, but wereinstead victims of a crime in town; this later proved false. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. We live in interesting times. "I saw a child get dragged down the river when he let go of his parents' hands. 1. It doesnt matter. Links that require download are high-risk by their very nature, so please consider uploading your media to a website like imgur.com or a similar alternative. What you are seeing is simply from the pattern of the foliage and shadows and light patterns impacting on the image. Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. Hi Jim, I appreciate your comments but please lay off the language of calling people fools. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall,or suffer other fatalaccidents while traveling-this could've happened to these women as well. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. Hundreds! Trust me, I prefer to take the easiest explanation too. Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. We have no final police report only a lot of leaked info much second hand and multiple hand. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. She looks disorientated almost. The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. That and the deleted photo make me for first time in my studies of this incident start to suspect foul play, but well never know. I was definitely thinking it looks like her hands might be tied behind her back here. Have you managed to obtain a copy? You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. What I DO see is a very definite path. I wanted to share this article from a big newspaper in Panama. Also why make them at night and not during the day? Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. Tourism generates profits of approximately US$1,400 million annually. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? Stories which hes found in archives going back as early as 1500s until modern day all Facts and all true. January 4, 2023. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Government corruption is the core of the problem. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. I have watched so much about this case and this is the first time I have heard that the parents withheld photos. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CJKQMGxJ1Kc/XH7ld3XtSnI/AAAAAAAAjOg/kechIb5Cge8msf5kRVinBCrEjIiBCl7TwCLcBGAs/s1600/7reCdlm.jpg, Actually heres uncompressed upscaled original image (upscaled and color corrected with AI). Think. The bones of Lisannes foot were fractured in an unusual way (from the top down). And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Auto Reset and Continuous. This is relevant because if the camera was on Auto Reset and 509 was deleted before 510 was taken, then the camera would use image 509 again. Slight left and up from the girl. I have spent a lifetime walking in the forest near my home and I dont see the odd things that people see. Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. Does this take a high level of tech knowledge and a computer? Thanks in advance! What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Rainfall probably washed the bag into the water. Photo 509 was removed first. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? Even though both kept contact with their families daily through messaging and calls? However, according to the Daily Beast: We now know that more than two dozen other victims also were reported in the same region of Panama, including a young woman from the United States found murdered earlier this year. From 2017 . Do they deal in weapons, drugs, porn? Is it a reasonable number? Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. So many clues in all these pictures. Thats perplexing to me. Dutch Women Who Went Missing in Panama Confirmed Dead - NBC News Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? Feel free to comment again or send me an email. There were no signs at that time. Latin America has tens of thousands of small communities, all of which operate slightly differently to some degree. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths?