Fat troll. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Run what you brung. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. but Glocks are safe to carry. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. I submit never. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? Still no safety. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. . Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. My opinion. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. What you are overlooking is the odds. Correct. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. israeli carry is stupid. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Maybe I counted wrong? The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. You've only seen one page. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. Dani: U.S. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). Does the Glock fire then? And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Discharge during take down? I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 Unlikely. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . It is also popular for law enforcement and for use as a backup weapon. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. I have four (4) SA revolvers. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. And we all make mistakes. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Use whatever gun you want. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. Which gets me to this. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? I used to carry a Walther PPQ. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. There we go. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Yes. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, use a good holster . I may not have the time to chamber a round if a BG is close enough. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. There are also the safety concerns . Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. Ho Hum, Well written Didnt fire..interesting. June 2016. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. This pistol gained [] I carry a LC9, no problem. Never mind the others. Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. Sound off in the comments! The Last Word. Its your right to self defense. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. The G44 is the ideal pistol to start or enhance your shooting experience. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). Some say it makes the trigger drag, but it doesnt on mine. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 3 your support hand may not be available. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? "The mountains are calling and I must go." Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. Its a toughy. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. Is it just something one has to get used to? On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Apply the 21 foot rule. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. * A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? Yes. like i said Glock 23 Handgun. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. One never knows who one is talking to. Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? Then I chambered a round. You always have time to do that. Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. whenever anyone posts on this page: Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. its full screen with proper sound and everything. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. Must not be working on it very hard. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. 7. It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Absolutely YES!! Sometimes I ask a question. I wouldnt worry about it. Do u carry an AR all day too? Am I being silly? IMO, anyway. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. 2 you may forget to chamber carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. . Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? you are correct. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. Am I being silly? Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Usually for at least an hour or so. Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. But thats good. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. (Take that, NYPD!) The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) Haha. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published.

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